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Journal Entry: Wed Jan 14, 2009, 12:02 PM
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As you may have noticed, I started a poll some time ago, asking my watchers and audience how seriously they take their own art. For some time now, I have been wondering about this. Partially because I like to take my own creations very seriously, but also because I believe that as an art-community, deviantArt has a lot of potential. We are, after all, the largest collection of artists that ever existed. By far. And over the entire globe.

I have noticed however, that a lot of people I meet on dA do not take their work seriously. Either they make what they do because they enjoy doing it and would like to do something productive with their time, or simply because they want to get a few laughs from friends. Much to my surprise, these two are the least given answers on my poll. Perhaps it's because the people who enjoy my art are generally more interested in being serious about art themselves. It might be a matter of simple target audience.

Which means I'm on the right track. Because that's just the kind of audience I'd like to target and the kind of audience I think deviantArt should target. Still, I might be wrong. Perhaps the poll failed completely and do the answers mean nothing. I'm getting this impression because of some recent experiences with a certain willingness from deviantArt officials as well as private initiatives to improve the communication towards the serious art community on this site.

Last month, I mentioned a contest that is being held in Holland these months. I made a news article about it to inform the community about this event. Still, out of the hundreds of Dutch deviants, very few people seem to have taken note of this article. When I brought it to the attention of the Artist Relations team on dA, they were rather reluctant to promote the article or contest for purely commercial reasons. Eventually it was linked in a popular and well-read journal, but still there were very few replies or :+favlove:s from the community. Some people seemed reluctant because they believed their work was not good enough, which I personally think is the sort of false modesty that can hinder your work and career significantly.

Still, it might tell us something about how an average deviant looks at their work: without a clear perspective on the possibilities and reluctant to try these possibilities out. The funny thing is: I am finally aware that I am doing exactly the same. Perhaps in a different way, but I have to admit that I am not all that active towards publication or otherwise some sort of recognition outside the internet community. I am participating in the contest and occasionally make steps for exhibitions or something like that, but I'm sure there is much more that could be done, if only I went out of my way to do it.

A big part of this is fear of failure. Or rather: the fear of my work not being that which I'd like it to be. Disappointment. The reason for me to take the steps that I manage is that I really want it. I feel that I must overcome my fear and in a way can also see that I will loose nothing or very little by trying. Last year I participated in Het Vierkante Ei and it was a great experience. Very motivating and helpful, even though I didn't get further then the first round (which was still quite an honour). I had my doubts about participating again, but eventually I thought 'what the hell' and just send something in. Hopefully it'll get me at least as far as last time and if not, well, whatever. There will be more chances.

Still, and this is something I'd like to give to you all, every chance is one. Seize them when they come your way and if you have the time and courage, search for them. Het Vierkante Ei is a great contest and give you the opportunity to see your work hanging in a real gallery or museum, being judged by professional art-critics who are also very willing to give you their opinion personally as well as win a prize. The great part is there is no real punishment for loosing. Except for the one you might give yourself. The only punishment there can be is the one of a missed chance if you don't participate. See it as a free lottery if you have absolutely no faith in your abilities.

Just go to the site and send something in. Give some :+favlove: to the newsarticle so more people will know about it and you might meet some fellow deviants too. I would certainly like that. At the very least it can give you the feeling that you got off your behind and did something. Carpe diem and all that. No matter how hard it is.

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:iconsampdoria:
I guess many people are simply lazy? Or they probably don't take the contest seriously enough?

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:icontalescaper:
Well, the majority of the people answering the poll said they are actively working towards getting published. (still just 25 though ;p)
And the contest is organised by one of Holland's biggest quality newspapers and a tv-station...

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:iconsampdoria:
So they're not focussed I guess.

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:icontalescaper:
Yeah, I suppose. My question is why, though. Why make all these wonderful things we see on #thumbsshare and dA in general and not really do anything with it?

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:iconsetsunacutey:
All good questions. I guess amateur art is for a lot of people something combined with insecurity about their skills, because they're still often growing and processing.

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:iconlucienumbers:
hey sander,
i noticed this contest and i am still thinking about it,why or if i should participate..the following point of view is only mine ,so i cant talk for all deviants,i wouldnt dare to do so

first of all everyone who has studied arts in some ways knows about the most important thing:art is not big business,its more about *expressing*whatever.
second:being involved into gallery-live and *REAL*artists opinions is not the main goal for creators,cause its again a fact that AMAZINGCREATIONs will get honored anyways doesnt matter by who...doesnt matter when...doesnt matter if hung already on a museumwall...simply doesnt matter.
third:if we artists would let ourselves being motivated by WELLKNOWN-artists' opinions-hm doesnt make sense cause again those who have studied arts in some ways know about the stories of fame in arts-never really mentioned in combination with what an other artist or gallery or museum thought about their creations

i have to admit,i would call myself rather someone who takes art serious,but not that serious that i wanna make myself dependent on another persons opinion
i want my art to stand on his own,for i believe then i make room for the real coincidentel miracles (its up to you how to interpret this/or just not to interpret)

i dont think its fear
and also the need for feeling *mustcreative*cant be stimulated by a won price for many arts out there make it without any prices...
the thing is:
i rather suggest everyone staying the way they are than doing something against their *will*


and dont forget:even big names in art didnt become known just like out of the blue,its a long road to popularity and when they reached their top also then i wonder if they were 100%able to earn their living by only doing arts.

i am a naive person though i know for sure life in general is not predictable and so the known artist may also have difficulties to rely on a living just made up by their creation.

few years ago i started with musicmaking,on the streets,i had the impression that i reached far more people than a gallery or a museum,not to forget the difficult economics these days being a danger for art's survival(by lack of given support to artists)
if people count their coins we all know they wont spend it on artworks...
some always will...most of them dont count coins.

few years ago i had some talks to an older artist from almere,who has been an artist his whole life,he complained in the year 2004 of very few sold artworks,compared to others who dont sell anything,which is rising number,yeah even in the PAINTINGparadisecountry like the netherlands.
so what to say....why not being thankful and wait till times of changes when arts will get the recognition they deserve.we have internet luckily maybe if we would not have artist would be less produtive so...
i would also like to admit that i dont find myself a bad musician,also not the best,but by creating my own style guitarbox with my own paintings i got many positive reactions and also if i would need money,i would choose to wander around with guitar instead of making arts in first place,so in the end we all know its hard to get a living by being artistic,which is not bad just a fact.
dont misunderstand:i would never give up creating for playing musicash but by being materially realistic i must choose music in first place to survive and with that helping my art which is underpaid.
this is my philosophy

nevertheless thanks for trying to give people some sort of oportunity to feel more honored by letting us know about *het vierkante ei*,it is a good idea,but the age of aquarius requires us becoming our own masters,by going through own paths of selfmastery,independly.

peace and love:frail:

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:iconmirrortea:
"...make what they do because they enjoy doing it"

I hope you dont think that's wrong in any way

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:icontalescaper:
Quite to the contrary. And of course it can be combined with artistic consideration and a serious desire to become a professional artist.
I'm just saying that if you do it just for fun and don't work towards becoming a serious professional, that might not happen. Some are satisfied with that and others aren't.
Simple enjoyment, I think, might very well be the basis to start doing anything.

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:icontalescaper:
Thanks a lot for your considerate and insightful reply :D
And you have a lot of points, really.

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What do you do with critique? 

55%
22 deviants said I think about which suggestions I want to keep and include them
15%
6 deviants said I think about it a lot, but rarely include any of it
10%
4 deviants said I apply all suggestions immediately in my work
10%
4 deviants said I listen to what people say, but not much more
8%
3 deviants said I never let anyone critique my work
3%
1 deviant said I often get angry. I find most critiques offensive

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